McGinnis Mysteries: Shaney John Update

Well, this isn’t the exciting kind of update, the kind where I announce fantastical stories of Indian ancestry and legends. However,  at least the sources we searched unsuccessfully can be crossed off the list, and we can move forward towards the next, even though more elusive step.

While I won’t fully cite everything we searched, we checked:

Centre County estate and O.C. Indexes for Shaney, Shroyer, and variants.

This yielded a few new estate files, although not necessarily any new finds. There was an guardian’s account for Jacob and Barbara Shroyer’s daughters, Christina and Catherine. Catherine and William Lutz were married sometime between Nov 1835 and 15 Jun 1836, when the payment from Jacob’s estate was signed for by Catherine and William Lutz. There was also an estate for an Adam Shryer, who died in Haines Twp in 1809. I’ m not sure who this Adam is – possibly a brother to Jacob?

There were no Shaney or John surnames listed in these indexes.

The Spangler Collection: No reference here of Shaney John, except a handwritten note next to a reference to John Shawnee, “Was he the Indian buried in Jacksonville’s old cemetery?”

County histories yielded no new information about Shroyers or Shaney other than that which we already had.

Searched for an obit for Catherine Shroyer Lutz, but not having an exact date of death, didn’t find anything.

Tax records indicate that Jacob Shroyer was in the first tax assessment of Haines Twp in 1801. Not surprising, since he bought that property in 1796.

So in short – we found no official record of adoption, Indians, or anything else unusual. While you might think that not finding something is bad, it is actually progress. As I mentioned earlier, at least we can pretty much cross off the usual collection of records in Centre County. Where does this leave the research?

I’ve ordered microfilm from Northumberland County  – deeds, estate, and Orphan’s Court records-  to see what they may hold. Another, probably less productive but certainly more interesting route is this: My mom found an article in a book, Juniata Memories, by Henry W. Shoemaker. The book was published from stories written by Shoemaker between about 1911 and 1915, and are collections of folklore and stories from the Juniata Valley. Wouldn’t ya know it, one of the pieces is entitled “Shaney John”? While a lot of this story is pure folklore, there are a number of biographical bits and pieces worth following up on. To that end, I plan to investigate Huntingdon and Bedford County records, as well as possibly looking through two collections of Mr. Shoemaker’s correspondence at Penn State and the Pennsylvania State Archives to see if there are any further details omitted from the published book that might shed some light on his family life, which the story doesn’t at all mention.

“More as the situation develops…” as they say.

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McGinnis Mysteries: Exploring the Native American Connection

Hey, look at this! Hardly two full weeks into my New Year’s resolution to post more updates, and here we are…

First a disclaimer: In some of my correspondence, I’ve tried hard not to sound cynical or negatively prejudiced towards disbelief of family stories. The truth is, I neither believe nor disbelieve until I have something on which to base that decision. In this particular case, at this particular time, the only thing we have to go on regarding Indian ancestry is family legend posted online by other Shroyer descendants. That being the case, I am evaluating the pieces of evidence and trying to arrive at a conclusion.  I reserve the right to modify my conclusion as new evidence is discovered (or NOT discovered) as research progresses. I’ll try and lay out what I think and why I think it, and as always, people may draw their own conclusions.

As regular readers of the newsletter (as if such a thing exists) might remember, I have made mention that our McGinnis family may have Native American connections. Having engaged in a number of discussions about this recently, I have been sufficiently motivated to do three things: 1) do a little internet research about it 2) formulate a game plan and head to Centre County to research in-person, and 3) finally update this here McGinnis site a few times telling you all about it. Progressing in a logical order, I have started with #3, will talk about #1, and get to #2 later. (This is sarcasm – a tool I rely on heavily :-)


OVERVIEW

First, let’s take a look at the text of the main variations of the story as the appear on the internet. Since I have not been able to get in touch with any of these authors, I won’t mention any by name here.

Version #1:

I have the history behind Jacob & Barbara Shroyer. Yes, they were Indian, Shawnee to be exact. Barabara’s father was the Chief of the Shawnee tribe along the Susquehanna. His name was Shawnee John. He adopted Jacob. So, Jacob and Barbara were not blood related, however, they were adopted brother and sister. Their daughter, Christina “Princess White Star” Schroyer married William Lutz, my descendent.
If you would like more info, I would be glad to give you more. I actually live near the land that Shawnee John was given for his tribe by William Penn, the founder of Pennsylvania. Shawnee John is buried near here. He is well known and well respected in the area. He actually left the Indian life when his tribe escaped to Ohio during the great Runaway. He chose to stay with his non-Indian family.

Version #2:

Seeking any information on the John Jacob SHROYER family. What I have been able to find out is: He was born about 1772 in Rebersburg, Centre Co., PA, and died bef. September 24,1825, in Haines Twp.,Rebersburg, Centre Co., PA, s/o Indian Chief John SHAWNEE. I learned he was adopted as a child into the Jacob SHROYER family. John Jacob SHROYER married Barbara SHROYER, born August 3, 1773, died January 4, 1857 in Rebersburg, Centre Co.,PA, d/o his adopted father. Of their 8 children, they had a daughter, Catharine.
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> She married a William LUTZ/LOTZ. They had a daughter, Harriet Shroyer LUTZ/LOTZ, born about 1838, in Woodward Twp., Centre Co., PA, and died August 6,1890 in Woodward Twp., Centre Co., PA.
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> >From what I understand is that John SHAWNEE, a Seneca Indian, served as an Indian Scout with Robinson’s Rangers during the French & Indian War at Heclapark (Mingoville), PA.

Version #3:

Barbara was the daughter of Jacob Schroyer who was an early Centra Pennasylvania settler (born bef 1860) He adopted the son of a Shawnee Indian Chief and named him Jacob Schroyer. He had a daughter named Barbara, b. 3 Aug 1773, Rebersburg, who married the Indian Jacob. Have much info re this family and willing to share. My wife is descended from Barbara’s daughter Christina “Princess White Star” Schroyer Lotz

PROBLEMS

Version #1

  • Why would the adopted son of an Indian chief retain his German name? It is also worth noting that according to Jacob Shroyer’s probate file, his writings were in German
  • While I wouldn’t call the search (or my knowledge) complete  – I can find no instance of a land grant to a Shawnee tribe in PA, and certainly not by William Penn, who died in 1718. (There was a treaty in 1701, but PA had no land claims in the area at that time – it was still Indian land, so Penn wouldn’t have needed to grant them any) The Treaty of Ft. Stanwix  in 1768 officially ceded all Indian lands in this area to the English and was the last purchase treaty between the Proprietorship and the Indians.
  • The Great Runaway was in 1778, when white settlers fled to various forts and southward down the Susquehanna from Indian hostilities and attacks. The  Shawnee had removed from the Susquehanna  to Ohio 20 years earlier. (http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/shawnee/shawneehist.htm)
  • Who was his “non-Indian family”? Meaning they had lived there the whole time, but he decided to live with the adoptive Indian family instead?

Version #2

  • Robinson’s Rangers are a Revolutionary War group, not French and Indian
  • John Shawnee is cited as a Seneca Indian (not saying it’s wrong – just different from the previous version)

Version #3

  • Rebersburg was not laid out and named until 1809, although that’s not to say there weren’t settlers there as early as 1773 – will have to check into the dates/settlement a little more, but this would imply that there was either a father named “Shawnee John,” or a surname “Shroyer” at this time in this area.

CONCLUSION:

When you boil down these different versions, there are some similarities that might prove useful in guiding future research. The common elements seem to be the same, although the details appear to be inaccurate:

  • Either Barbara or Jacob was an Indian adopted into a German family
  • The Indian father in question, Shawney John/John Shaney,  served the whites in some military capacity
  • All of these stories derive from descendants of Catherine “Princes White Star” Shroyer Lutz

Without any further information or documentation it seems unlikely that any one of these stories is correct as they are recited. However, taken together, it seems reasonable that the basic concept of adoption is possible and reasonable

MOVING FORWARD:

So what do I hope to do to clarify our understanding of this story? My mom and I are off to Centre County this weekend. I won’t detail what information I have already collected, but will wait for a complete collection of evidence (ya right!) to present it all at the same time. Some of the information I will be looking for, both there and through other sources include:

  • A more complete history of the land that Jacob and Barbara purchased near Aaronsburg, PA in 1796. Search land warrants/patents and Northumberland deeds for like-named folks
  • Any further history of  someone named Shawnee John. There is mention of the name in the Sixth Regiment of the Continental Line in 1778., but no details given.
  • Double-check probate, other court records, Spangler collection, and burial records for Shawnee, Shawanese, or Shawnee John
  • Find an obit for Barbara Shroyer
  • Further research the family of Ludwig Shroyer, who died in Northumberland County in 1795. An Adam is listed among his sons – a name that appears again in Jacob and Barbara’s family.
  • Check for any journals, diaries, personal papers, etc for this area and time frame
  • Increase my general knowledge of the Indian tribes, situation, and potential documents in this area

I’m sure there’s a few things I’m forgetting, but if I keep working on this post, I’ll never get to Centre County on Saturday!

Incidentally, I find it interesting that in my own McGinnis family, James McGinnis’ midde name is Shadrul. I’ve done numerous searches for the meaning or other mention of this name but have found none.  Is Shadrul a potentially Indidan term? Is it actually Shroyer and was misheard or misread?

It’s a McGinnis Mystery, alright!

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My New Year’s Resolution: More McGinnis Updates

Looking at the date of the last post, I see that 1/4 of a year has passed without an update! Despite my dislike of New Year’s resolutions – especially those that involve me doing something – I will now, before the collective internet masses, proclaim that in 2010 I WILL make more frequent updates to the McGinnis site. That might possibly be in the form of linking to newly posted photos to my main genealogy site, maybe some new McGinnis discoveries, or maybe the introduction of a new McGinnis or two.

With all the things that have gone on in the past year, it’s easy to forget exactly how far this McGinnis thing has moved forward in the past year. While the family tree has not grown very far up, it certainly has grown out. We had our first McGinnis reunion in July, with a modest turnout. It was the first for the James McGinnis folks in quite awhile, and I am certain that it was the first modern McGinnis reunion with both James and Jesse represented. As I mentioned in the last newsletter , I need to get back in touch with a possibly descendant from a third son of Henry, William McGinnis who I also came into contact with over the last year (or so).

Looking ahead, I see a number of things I can be doing on the McGinnis front. Jessie McGinnis Lych and Paul McGinnis gave me a number of photos. I need to get those scanned and online. More research, more research, more research…did I mention more research? One thing I am unsure about is the newsletter format. At first, it was pretty easy to churn out issues, but as we moved into the second year, original material became more difficult. Thank you to our guest contributors, Carole Curran and Marilyn Oberg for their pieces on Rebecca McGinnis and Elizabeth May McGinnis respectively. In order for me to avoid filler, it might be necessary to switch to putting the newsletter out only twice a year, with occasional, smaller updates appearing here on the website.

It is sure to be a busy year! My best wishes to you all for a happy and prosperous year. Keep checking back, and I promise eventually you’ll see some new stuff!

- Chris

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The New McGinnis In Us

Believe it or not, want it or not, I have finally gotten togther a new edition of the McGinnis In Us. A special thank you to Marilyn Oberg for her contribution – without which I would have been floundering around for a few more weeks. But as fall turns towards winter and most genealogists go into hibernation, I am gearing up for another winter of research. Hopefully some new finds, and some new ideas will keep the editions flowing for awhile!

As always, the current edition can be found at: http://mcginnishistory.com/currentnews/current.pdf
Archived editions are at: http://www.mcginnishistory.com/?page_id=17

Enjoy!

Chris

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Reunion Tomorrow

Hope to see everyone at the McGinnis @ McCauley Falls reunion tomorrow at 12:00. If you need directions or other info, you can find it in the links to the right. If you haven’t replied, but want to come – please do!
Back to cookie-baking! See you tomorrow

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Final McGinnis Reunion Reminder

McGinnis Reunion Info

Hope to see you all there!

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Reminder: Reunion Less Than a Month Away!

Just a reminder that the McGinnis Reunion (or gathering – depending on the size)
will be held:
Saturday, July 18th
12pm-4pm
McCauley Falls Pavilon, Kittanning, PA

Directions and other information forthcoming. If you haven’t already, please take a few minutes to let me know whether you plan to attend or not. Attendance is roughly at 18-20 right now – give or take a few.

Hope to see you there!

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McGinnis Reunion 2009 Announcement

Most of you will have already recieved an email, but in case I have an old address, or I don’t have an email at all for you,the announcement is below. If you did not receive the response form, I added a link to the right under “Links of Interest”. Simply click on the link, fill out the form, click “Submit” and it will open your email program to send it back to me.

Enjoy the holiday weekend!

Thanks to the hard work of Carole Curran, I can officially announce that the date and location of the 2009 McGinnis Reunion is confirmed!

It will be held:

Saturday, July 18th 2009
12:00 – 4:00pm
McCauley Falls Pavilion, Kittanning, PA

Exact directions will be sent later, but it is just a few miles north of Kittanning. If you want to get a better idea, you can Mapquest “McCauley Falls Rd, Kittanning, PA), and it will show you the road where the pavilion is located.

Please take a second to fill out and send the attached response form. You can send it by email with the click of a button. At this point, other than the three Jesse McGinnis folks who have already contacted me, my mom, and my family, I don’t know who is planning to attend. Once I have a tentative number, I’ll send out more information as the date draws nearer. If you regularly talk to family that might be interested in coming, just print a copy out to give to them, or include them in your response.

Hopefully everyone will be able to make it. For the way out-of-town folks (like CA, TX, UT, etc), you are of course very welcome, but I am assuming that the trip to PA is a little much, and we won’t think less of you if you’re not there. :)

I hope to see you all this summer.

Thanks!

Chris

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Happy Mother’s Day! To Celebrate, I Present All My Mothers.

Happy Mother’s Day to everyone. As I thought about it, it occurred to me I had never listed out my strictly maternal line – that is the mother of my mother, the mother of her mother, etc. So here they are, beginning with my grandmother, and in reverse order from there:

Ellajean Marie Snyder
b. 5 Dec 1925, Vandergrift, Westmoreland, PA
m. Floyd Albert Johns, 20 Mar 1946, Vandergrift, Westmoreland, PA
d. 28 Aug 1995

Bessie Irene McGinnis
b. 3 Jan 1892, Manorville, Armstrong, PA
m. William Albert Snyder, 3 Dec 1914, Vandergrift, Westmoreland, PA
d. 23 Jan 1972

Ella May Ruffner
b. 10 Feb 1868, Marion Center, Indiana, PA
m. Harvey Jackson McGinnis, 19 Oct 1887 Orbitello, Lincoln, KS
d. 2 Oct 1961, Arnold, Westmoreland, PA

Sarah Best
b. 31 May 1835, Butler County, PA
m. Archibald Ruffner, abt 1855, PA
d. 25 May 1914, Saltsburg, Westmoreland, PA

Susan Sumney
b. abt 1806, Butler County, PA
m. Alexander Best, 2 Oct 1828, Butler County, PA
d. ?

Unknown wife of Jacob Sumney
b. sometime between 1770-1780
m. Jacob Sumney, ?
d. bef 17 Jan 1842

And that’s it. That’s as many mothers as my maternal line goes. Enjoy your day, all you moms!

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Cross-post from staatsofohio.com: Family video from Emerald Isle, NC: 2003

Sorry for the cross-post, but I just posted this on my other site. Since there hadn’t been any updates here, I though I would post it here as well.

I was trying to find my grandfather’s video from 1989 or so – when we all went to Emerald Isle, but I am having trouble. In the meantime, I thought I would upload a slightly more recent video from our trip there in 2003. I know, I know, “*yawn*, boring family video”. This particular video was made while I was first exploring the capabilities of Windows MovieMaker. For anyone who doesn’t already know, Windows MovieMaker is a program that was included with Windows XP (and possibly as early as Me or Win2K). I think it is also included with Vista. It’s not overly fancy, but it was a nice, free little tool to edit and assemble videos. I used still photos, but played with some of the effects to at least create the illusion of motion. I also got a little carried away with the transitions, but hey – that’s why I was doing this, and it just happened to turn out good enough that I never bothered to redo it.

One day I should probably get these photos back out, scan them, fix them, and redo the video. There are so many crooked horizons in these photos it hurts.

Without further adieu:

Emerald Isle 2003 from Chris Staats on Vimeo.

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